Saturday, December 5, 2015

Reverse Osmosis Water system installed

I recently took the plunge and installed a Reverse Osmosis Water system in the RV to fill up my main tank.  Right now in am in Yuma, AZ, and they have very hard water.  Using my new test meter (purchased with the RO system), it is well over 600 PPM of mineral content.  This generally leaves a white residue and makes soap less foamy, along with the potential of clogging things up, such as faucets, flush valves, etc.

With the recommendation of some fellow RV'ers, ordered my system from Air, Water, and Ice.  They generally deal with aquarium setups and the people here have used them to get new RV systems, as well as replacement filters.  They're supposed to have some very cost effective, and quality, replacement parts, such as carbon filters and RO membranes.

For the system I purchased, here are the nitty gritty details, along with prices for those wondering.


Additional part(s) needed:

I went with these guys due to high recommendations from the folks here, and must say am impressed so far.  One big thing is I only wish didn't have to get an RO system per se in that the tank included is $29.99, and a faucet is $17.95.  That is an extra $48 that didn't need to spend, not including the extra parts here and there.  Now, I did get a pressure gauge out of the deal, though that still leaves them with an extra profit of $23.  Them being a small business feel somewhat OK about it, though this still nags at my innards.  There are also some parts I stripped out, which add up to some change.

On a side note, am officially jealous, in that the guy I talked to has access to Google Fiber at his house, not at the business.  Moving to Kansas City area isn't in my known cards right now but would be very nice to have speed like that while not getting hosed on the monthly bill (I'm looking at you Verizon).

Install


How did that head get in here?
All of the install pictures I have are uploaded to this album.

All of the paper documents I received also scanned and put in this PDF document.  What's not included is the nice little folder type thing it came in, with the first page (blue) as the cover. Scanned the documents so can get rid of the paper copies.  Me and paperwork don't mix well.

One very nice thing about this system is that it came generally fully assembled.  As I was going through the assembly process had to make some tweaks, tighten things up, add some things, etc. 

Prior to install
There really isn't much to say about the install.  First thing was to unpack the box (no pictures) and much to my surprise saw this system in there fully put together.  All of the hoses are in place, it all seems nice and tight and cozy.

After unboxing, next step is to figure out exactly where to mount it.  On the driver's side, have a cargo bay underneath that's really close to the fill point for the water tank.  Short of putting this in the bay where drain the tanks are (black and grey), this was the only spot it would really fit on this side, standing up.  I could've kept it as a portable unit, bringing in and out each time.  Decided against that as it's nicer not to move it.

After thinking about it some, decided to uninstall the ASOV valve.  For a tankless setup this valve doesn't make sense.  What it does, in general terms, is when pressure in the output line reaches a certain point, it shuts off the incoming flow of water.  An example is that if have the holding tank which came with this system, it would automatically shut off flow of water through the RO membrane(s).  For this install, I take the output hose (containing pure water) and insert that into the manual fill tube for my water tank.

Pressure Switch on Left of pump
Another alteration I made, after e-mailing them with a problem, is bypass pressure switch on the pump assembly.  This switch is necessary when it's setup with a holding tank, but with a manual fill such as mine it is almost unnecessary.  It is a nice safety, but I have "faith" in my ability to remember to unplug it..  Almost.  Had to bypass switch initially as pump wasn't turning on.  After some debugging, with their help, determined that the pump turned on when pressure dropped below 20 PSI.  Naturally, there is an adjustment screw in the pressure switch, though didn't try to adjust.

To bypass the switch it was a simple matter of unhooking the two wires from the switch, and hooking them together.  For this "test", and still haven't permanently fixed it, used a small piece of metal had in the storage area.  To my surprise it worked.  Jammed the metal into the two fittings and life is grand as pump started humming along.

Lining it up
Now it's time to mount the little thing (not little).  The sides of the storage area isn't really thick and it feels more like thinnish sheet metal, but I knocked on the metal, listening for more solid spots, and drilled a couple holes in the carpeted wall where it seemed more solid.  This wasn't an exact science, and am really hoping the screws hold.  To help it along, I mounted it above some emergency gear (in little red box) so it could rest on something.

At this stage there's nothing hooked up to this, like the pump, input / output feeds, etc.  In foreground of picture can notice where have a short piece of blue hose and fittings on either end.  Since the picture was taken have altered this slightly, but this is the incoming water.

My can of foie gras
After mounting the unit up a little, realized it felt a little wobbly, not loose per se, but wobbly in that it was flexing at the corner.  My first thought was to see if it was loose, but everything seemed nice and tight.  Next thing was to see if could solidify it somehow, and decided to put something underneath the filter.  After trying various things like can of cat food, pieces of wood, etc., found a can of duck liver foie gras (a delicacy in France).  I still had a can left over from my last trip to Europe and it is the perfect fit!  YAY ME.  It's a bummer in that I kinda like foie gras, though definitely in limited quantities.

Mounted and ready
Here is a better image of everything mounted, and propped up.  One thing chose to do is label the filters, and the input/output of the filter assembly.  Am sure it'll help in the heat of the moment when have to replace filters and/or change out. 

Now working on the input, from a garden hose.  I mistakenly didn't order all the proper parts, so had to spend couple hours hunting around, hoping to find the proper part. It's very similar to this one, but it's a brass compression fitting.  I found this at Al's RV, in Yuma, AZ.  They spent quite a bit of time looking for it and was elated when it was in my hand as was very worried it wasn't going to be found.  So, walked out of the store and headed back.

Ready to tighten input hose
On my way back, had a funny feeling to stop at store never thought of, and that is Southwest Exchange.  Am sure glad I did.  Came in here looking for a different adapter, one where push hose in, and asked for help.  They informed me needed a small plastic insert otherwise the compression fitting wouldn't work.  This is also where I found out about the Tank Cleaning.

Got back and hooked up the garden hose adapter as shown to the left.  Slid plastic insert (little white piece at top of hose) in, after sliding brass compression fittings over.  When slid plastic piece in, had to push the brass ring down otherwise it was hard to slide in.  After insert is in, slid brass ring back up.  The other, bigger, fitting slides over and is what compresses everything.  The completed setup can be found in pictures below.

Pump Piping
Next major step is to hookup the pump to the filter.  It can barely be seen, behind the little red wire, is a check valve.  This is like a back flow preventer so that water only flows forward, and never back.  This check valve also denotes the input to the pump (little direction arrow too).  So, the output from the filters, which is on the dark side (rear) of the assembly, is the input to this.

Consequently, the output from the pump is the input to the reverse osmosis membranes.  This output is then split in two (can't be seen) as the membranes are plumbed in parallel so that the system will use both membranes to output the water.  This also means that drain is joined together with another Y connector.

As part of the pump assembly, there is a brass control valve.  I think, for my current use, that this control valve is nearly useless.  It's used to keep the pump from cycling on and off.  This is primarily needed when had the pressure switch installed.  With the pressure switch not needed, this control valve isn't really needed.  The main purpose of the pump is to boost water pressure entering the membranes.  Higher water pressure, up to a certain point (about 100 PSI), the water output (pure water) is of higher quality.

Completed install
This is the completed assembly.  A general overview:
  • Garden hose adapter is at bottom, look for brass and sliver of blue hose.
  • Pressure gauge monitors input pressure (after garden hose)
  • White hose on ground is output hose (I run couple minutes before starting to fill it up).  Output hose I generally loop over membranes
  • Black hose is waste water output
  • Membranes on top of filter
  • Black hose is connected to quick flus
  • Pump is just to left of filters, can hardly see it
  • The rolls of stuff is plastic 3D printer filament (3mm)


Now, the moment of truth, and it was water water everywhere..  Forget exactly what was leaking, but had to tighten the membrane housing, remove and reinsert some hoses into fittings, plus had a hose inside the compartment that should've been outside..  oops.  Overall it went fairly smoothly and soon enough system was humming along really smoothly.

According to the PPM meter, after running for some time, am down to about 24 PPM, from 600+.  And now it's nary a leak to be found, though must always be in constant vigilance.

There are only couple things left for me to do, these are:
  • Remove pressure switch
  • Remove control valve
  • Mount pump on wall next to filter assembly

Will probably tackle some of these when I get to Vegas.  Want to see how the assembly travels first.


BONUS CAT PICTURE

Paisley, and please pardon my mess, construction

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